Dear roofers

"505Turbeaux" (505turbeaux)
10/30/2014 at 10:28 • Filed to: None

to add to my !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! this morning, roofers are here doing my office. Beyond the noise, they are just doing it wrong. Water flows downhill dumbasses, not across. Make sure your underlayment game is tight you fuckers, and run it side to side like it was intended to be.

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I would be working from home but they will be on my floor installing 6 48x48" skylights next week, so I will be WFH then.

DISCUSSION (31)

Roundbadge > 505Turbeaux
10/30/2014 at 10:34

That's uh....

...um...

Hey fellas....yer doin' it wrong.

At least they ran 2 courses of the Ice & Water shield.

505Turbeaux > Roundbadge
10/30/2014 at 10:36

yeah, I had suggested just doing the whole damn roof in I+W with a ridge vent but it was too much. When I did the roof on my house I was able to ridge vent, rafter vent, and vent the soffits so I went over it all with I+W before laying my architecturals. Thing aint ever going to leak!

Roundbadge > 505Turbeaux
10/30/2014 at 10:38

That's probably a better idea, in all honesty. That far north I'd think the codes would be tougher on I&W. I know in Ohio they make them run 2 courses.

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > 505Turbeaux
10/30/2014 at 10:39

For those of us less knowledgeable, what are they doing wrong in this picture?

505Turbeaux > Roundbadge
10/30/2014 at 10:40

1 course is all that is required. If I were a contractor though I wouldnt put my name on anything much less a warranty with less than 2. Now that I am thinking about it I better run out and make sure they are overlapping correctly. This worries me

WarShrike > 505Turbeaux
10/30/2014 at 10:40

About to have roofing done on our house. Had 40 year shingles on there, destroyed in 8.

Gotta love Texas hail storms. Supposedly house insurance companies are rethinking the way they do roof coverage here lol!

505Turbeaux > Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
10/30/2014 at 10:42

you are supposed to think of any underlayment as another layer of shingles, meaning overlapping them horizontally, just like shingles, so it is another layer of protection.

505Turbeaux > WarShrike
10/30/2014 at 10:43

ha oh a good hail storm will take a roof out no problem, especially with how often you get them. My girlfriends parents live on an island up here and 35yr achitecturals usually last them about 10. Just heavy on the salt and wind all the time.

Mattbob > 505Turbeaux
10/30/2014 at 10:44

Wow, that is some serious lazyness right there. It looks like they are only doing part of the roof for some reason? It's only marginally harder to run it horizontally because gravity isn't helping. What is wrong with them?

Roundbadge > Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
10/30/2014 at 10:52

Roofing should be thought of as a system. First you lay plywood/OSB as sheathing, then you cover that with a layer of tar-infused paper, which works as a water-resistant barrier until you get shingles on, and also makes it more difficult for water to get to the sheathing if it happens to get under the shingles. At the eaves (low edge of the roof) you run 1 or 2 courses of Ice & Water shield to prevent water from soaking into the sheathing if you get an ice dam backing up from your gutters. Then you nail your shingles down on top of the tar paper (or felt, as it's commonly called), starting from the low edge and working your way up.

As water runs downhill, your best bet for preventing water getting to the sheathing is to start your felt runs at the low edge of the roof, running horizontally, then overlap each course as you work your way up.

In the picture, they're laying the felt vertically. That leaves a good chance for water to seep under the vertical seams.

Yes, the shingles will cover it, but shingles deteriorate over time and can eventually fail. This is a recipe for a leaky roof, eventually.

505Turbeaux > Mattbob
10/30/2014 at 10:53

yeah they are doing it piece by piece, which is fine, weather is touch and go. I would have had a crew out to be done with it in 3 days though. It is going on 2 weeks. I thought I could leave them to frame out the skylights but I am thinking I had better make sure they do that correctly too

Mattbob > 505Turbeaux
10/30/2014 at 10:55

how does it take 2 weeks???? A day for removal of old roof, and 2 for install of new roof, 3 days is reasonable for what looks like an easy ass roof. Yeah, it sounds like they need a bit of supervision.

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > 505Turbeaux
10/30/2014 at 10:56

That's what I figured, good to know.

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > Roundbadge
10/30/2014 at 10:56

I thought that was the issue, good to know.

Kinja'd!!!

WarShrike > 505Turbeaux
10/30/2014 at 10:57

Yeah, we live in the TX Panhandle so it's the storms and high sustained winds/dust.

During the spring/fall we get the fast moving fronts with huge pressure differentials and we'll have 40mph sustained winds with gusts to 60-70. Our house is pretty solid, but it'll make the rafters pop once in awhile.

Here's a haboob that blew in a couple years ago. I was lucky and not on campus when this hit but it was pretty gnarly when the sunlight turned red through the windows and got dark like sunset at ~4pm!

Kinja'd!!!

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Mattbob
10/30/2014 at 10:57

Implied word "adult". Adult supervision.

505Turbeaux > Mattbob
10/30/2014 at 10:59

totally easy ass roof. Bring out a crew of monkeys and get the shit done. You only need 3 people who know what they are doing for a job like this, and then just muscle to strip and feed. Morons. How come the fucking Digital Marketing Director knows more about roofing than them?

Mattbob > 505Turbeaux
10/30/2014 at 11:01

if they knew what they were doing, they would be promoted out of that job by now.

505Turbeaux > Mattbob
10/30/2014 at 11:07

lol I used to roof and build houses, so I guess this is very true!

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 505Turbeaux
10/30/2014 at 11:09

Down here in NC we don't have I+W required for anything, but I sometimes wonder, given that melt/freeze cycles are probably a better way to get problems. If the temperature's enough lower that there are more cycles...

505Turbeaux > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
10/30/2014 at 11:16

hmmm, interesting. You do get some weather down there

Mattbob > 505Turbeaux
10/30/2014 at 11:33

The peter principle hard at work.

Stupidru > 505Turbeaux
10/30/2014 at 11:35

We just bought our house and had a new roof worked into the contract. I+W shield and a ridge vent, but no soffit vents on the house. It has a gable vent which I'll have to cover up when I install the soffit vents, but I'm pretty excited about having the I+W shielding installed

505Turbeaux > Mattbob
10/30/2014 at 11:47

haha yes, indeed. I have a slight bit more to go until I start failing though

505Turbeaux > Stupidru
10/30/2014 at 11:52

How far north are you?

Mattbob > 505Turbeaux
10/30/2014 at 12:15

they, on the other hand, do not.